Thursday, April 1, 2010

F451 Fishbowl #5

Hello, outer circle!

Your challenge of the day: BRING AT LEAST ONE QUOTATION INTO AT LEAST ONE OF YOUR RESPONSES TODAY. You will feel and appear quite smart.

Enjoy!

57 comments:

  1. Why do you think Faber is such a coward?

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  2. Class
    On page 82, Faber talks about the guilt he feels. Like Amir, from the Kite Runner, do you think that Faber has been and will continue living his life with guilt controlling it? What could Faber do to relieve so of his guilt?

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  3. gage- I think he just wants to not get caught by authorities

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  4. I think Faber is such a coward because I think maybe he has something to hide.

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  5. Kristin- I think Faber will be able to conquer his guilt by helping Montag bring down the fireman system, I think he might even sacrifice himself to save Montag or books.

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  6. Class-

    On page 83 Faber states, "This book can go under a microscope. You'd find life under the glass, streaming past in infinite profusion. The more pores, the more truthfully recorded details of life per square inch"

    What do you think Faber means by this?

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  7. Nick K- I agree with you when you say that Faber has something to hide. There is something about the character that makes him suspicious.

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  8. I think Faber is a coward because he is hiding something and realizes that he could get in huge trouble. Also he is copying a book for a fireman.

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  9. Gage- He is just protecting him self from something really bad that could happen if he did not make the actions he did.

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  10. Gage
    Because firemen are feared in this society and especially for an intellectual like Faber, only a few like Clarisse first said to Montag, "you know, I'm not afraid of you at all."

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  11. Both Montag and Faber had something to be guilty about but then somehow find the right influence or person to get on track and do the right thing.

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  12. Gage
    I don't think that Faber is a coward. I think that he is just trying to act "normal" and not bring any attention to himself. I think that his definition of being a coward is not doing what you want. I think that Faber will become less of a coward by protesting against the firemen.

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  13. Devon-I think he is trying to say books are a piece of life. Each page has something new that you can learn and books have important information that is meaningful in life.

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  14. Devon- I think he means that you can find an infanent amount of information in books.

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  15. Do you think that the war might effect this society? Do they even know that they are at war?

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  16. I also think that "coward" is the wrong word. I think he's more "suspicious" then being a coward.

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  17. In the reading I discovered that Montag is desperate for knowledge to a dangerous degree. Revealing a book to his wife's circle of friends was a drastic move to prove his point. I believe sharing the poem with the group was extremely pointless due to the fact that there minds even before hearing the poem were set on thinking that they wont like it. No matter how well don't the poem was.

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  18. Earl- I think they know they are at War, but they don't care cause the wars are all nuclear and they end so fast.

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  19. I don't think they know I think that their government keeps them in the shadow so that they will be controlled and they wont fight back.

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  20. Is the bible that Montag shows to Faber the last remaining bible in the world?

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  21. Earl- I do not think that anyone knows that they are at war. The people are so naive and they are so dumb. But, I also think that the government is trying to keep it from the people. I am predicting that the war will influence the book later on.

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  22. Gage Q:

    I think that he is a coward because he may have something to hide. On page 81 Faber's hands itched on his knees. "May I" "Sorry" Montag gave him the book. Maybe Faber is scared that he might get caught with a book or Montag gets caught

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  23. Devon
    I think that Faber means that behind every story there is life. Faber is trying to tell Montag that by burning books, they are also burning lives. To go along with your quote, on page 51 Montag states "And for the first time I realized that a man was behind each one of the books." I think that Faber and Montag understand that there is a story behind every book that is written.

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  24. Devon,

    What I think Faber means is that books actually have quality, and more thought is put into them. From your quote, Faber goes on to say, "Books show pores in the face of life. The comfortable people want only wax moon faces, poreless, hairless, expressionless." I think Faber believes that books have more depth and deep thought, and most people don't realize the knowledge they're missing out on.

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  25. Class: On page 101 Mrs. Bowels says "I've always said poetry and tears, poetry and suicide and crying and awful feelings, poetry and sickness; all that mush! Now I've had it proved to me."

    Do you think that these feelings were caused from a lot of books and that may have contributed to the decision to start burning books?

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  26. Sean M.
    what I'm asking though is even though they end so fast aren't they at all afraid that they might lose, with nuclear war one bomb can get rid of a whole country now and yet they almost act ignorant to that fact.

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  27. Devon- let me tell you a little story about life... There once was a cat, we will call him Elaine. One day Elaine was playing lax with his friend Hannah Montana and then there was a terrible storm and they both died, the moral of the story is not to play an hour after you eat or you will get a cramp. My point is that books have allot more meaning than they do on the surface of the pages, there is life being breed within the pages between the words.

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  28. Earl- I think they know they are at war but they try to block it out. They don't want to think about the war so they act like they have no idea.

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  29. Gage:
    I think he is a coward because he doesnt know if he can trust Montag. Montag is still a firefighter and can turn him in at any point.

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  30. Davis Moe- I do not think that it is the last bible in the world because the bible had such a big influence on almost everyone. There are too many copies for it to be the last bible in the world. It was once a major influence on the world that it will have an influence on Montag later.

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  31. I believe going to Faber was the right idea to do in Montags situation. But of all books to bring to him. Why the Bible? Is it because subconsciously Montag was feeling a strong sensation of religious belief deriving from the book?

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  32. Travis-
    You bring up a good point. Maybe Faber thinks that because Montag is a fireman he feels that he can't be trusted because what he has contributed to the society.

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  33. Earl- the society in this book believes that they can die at any moment and they don't care as much. It would also take a lot more than one bomb to kill a country

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  34. Gage-
    You totally made that up. But I see your point and it was very insightful and unique.

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  35. moemoney2
    I believe that it isn't the last book 'cause they might just be fighting other people for their beliefs so that they all see the same way, and the other countries might still be religious

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  36. Davis:

    I do not think that that is the last Bible, but when Montag shows Faber the book, Faber Says "I'm been a long time. I'm not a religious man. But it's been a long time."( Bradbury pg 81) So he is a maybe kind of happy to see the Bible again, but he is kind of nervous when he was handling it.

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  37. I agree I don't think looks mattered as much back then, but today I think they greatly influence people.

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  38. Moe
    I think that Montag brought the Bible because he understands it's value to some people. I also think that he brought it to Faber because he knew that the Bible used to be common and he believed that Faber would be familiar with the Bible and could explain it more to him.

    Trent
    I agree with your response to Devon's question. I think that on every page of a book is a different story or a part of someone's life.

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  39. Devon T.:

    I agree with you because the firemen are supposed to be the one burning the books and not the ones keeping them in there houses and hiding them under their pillows. So I think that Faber has trust issues.

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  40. Sean M
    well if you're attacking Russia or some large country no but the technology has made it so we can wipe out all these small countries, one well shot warhead lands in Europe can wipe out vasts amounts of lands, I'm not talking about the blast but the radiation that ensures that the land will die.

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  41. Class-

    On page 96 Mrs.Phelps said, "Caesarians or not, children are ruinous, your out of your mind."

    The three women Montag talks to, including Mildred, all seem rather opposed to children, why do you think that is? Do you think the whole society is like that.

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  42. Kristin-
    That is a good point but to clarify what you mean, do you think that by burning books they are destroying lives because of the life and new perspective that they provide to society? Or do you think that books that are based on experiences take away from that of authors life?

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  43. Class- What will happen to Montag and his books? Will someone turn in an alarm?

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  44. What do you think is going through mildreds head, with her suddenly finding out that Guy is keeping books will she turn him in or keep it quiet?

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  45. I believe that the communitee in the age in the story is quite similar to our communitee today when it comes to polotics and censorship. In the recent election over McCain and Obama. A majority of people refused to even look at either of their polocies but instead looked directly at their physical features. And with censorship, school districts are banning books due to either their graphic content or depressing moral of the story. In reality, I believe that when our class makes bad comments on the culture and communitee of Montags home. we're really making bad comments about our community.

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  46. Devon- I actually got that story from and African folk tale book, but thank you for you response, I thought it really fit the situation perfectly.

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  47. Sean-
    I think that someone will turn him in, and something bad will happen.

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  48. Class
    After Montag reads the poem to Mildred and her circle of friends, Mrs. Phelps started crying. Why was she the only one who listened to the poem close enough that it emotionally hurt her? Does she still care about books? What was her past profession that helped her understand the poem that Montag read?

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  49. Moe..
    I think that Montag brought the Bible to show that he isn't joking around. Because there is so few Bibles left and Montag has one it may represent the hope that he has to help.

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  50. Earl- Maybe a small countrybut not even a medium sized one, such as anywhere from the U.K. to Germany to even Ireland

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  51. Class:
    In the Beginning Gage Asked, about how Faber may be a coward. My question is do you think that Faber is a Coward because he has trust issues or is it another reason?

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  52. Earl- I do not think Mildred will turn in Guy but not because she is to loyal or loves him to much. I don't think she will turn him in because she is afraid something bad will happen to her as well as him if people find out they are keeping books.

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  53. Travis- I think Faber is just more paranoid than anything, he is so scared he is gonna get caught with books he stays cooped up in his house for the most part, but I don't think he really has trust issues.

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  54. Devon
    What I was trying to say was that by burning books, they are destroying not only a piece author's life but other people's lives. I think that it destroys different perspective, like you said.

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  55. Earl,

    I don't think Mildred really knows what to think. It seems as though everyone is sort of programmed to act the same way, which tends to be sort of nonchalant or dazed and I think that Mildred wouldn't have expected anything like this to happen and so she is sort of agitated but doesn't understand how serious the situation is.

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  56. In response to Kristin's question, After Montag reads the poem to Mildred and her circle of friends,I think that Mrs. Phelps starts crying because the poem scares her. She is frightened by Montag breaking the law right in front of her. She has heard of what poetry has done to people by depressing them and making them angry. I think that they all were listening but i dont think that she understood the poem at all. I dont think that she cares about books at all. She only cares about following the law. I dont think she knew what the poem was saying at all.

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  57. To Kristin and Devon

    I agree with Kristin that burning books destroys both a piece of the author's life and other people. It would destroy a piece of the authors life because they have spent time to create something filled with interest and knowledge and by destroying that, someone is destroying a piece of time that represented a time of life of the author. Burning books would affect the peoples lives too because it could have been a book they looked at for reference on advice or to learn from mistakes in history. By destroying books your destroying a piece of the peoples lives.

    Earl-I would have predicted that Mildred would turn Montag in after finding out that he was keeping books. Even though they are married, I think she depends on technology more than her husband which would make it easier for her to be able to turn him in.

    Dakota- I agree that part of the reason society started burning books was because it brought emotional experiences for anyone who read books. I think through the years of the society, it started to change and the people were not able to understand and analyze text like their earlier generations which could have caused the government to start a society of burning books.

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