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3. Explain your thoughts thoroughly.
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Towards the end of the book it was talking about a bomb that had dropped on the city. What kind of bomb do you think was dropped when they describe it has "turned the city upside down" such as is this a bomb in the future or is this an exaggeration?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think of the government killing an innocent man because they can't find montag on page 148-149?
ReplyDeleteI feel like the part where Montag is in the river somewhat relates to Dover Beach. (pages 142 and 143) It seems more like the part in the poem where everything is calm (the first stanza of the poem. What do you think?
ReplyDeleteIt's a huge coverup they don't want the citizens to get scared that their government is incompetent and is unable to catch one man
ReplyDeleteEm.
ReplyDeleteI think it is because the government has so much power over the people they can do what they want to do. (Like take books away)
Kaity,
ReplyDeleteThat's a great connection, I can see that also.
EmilyK, I think it is wrong that the government did this because it is like since they were angry because they couldn't find Montag they decided to take their anger out on an innocent man.
ReplyDeleteMeg- when it's talking about the bomb that turned the city upside down I think it's talking about a future nuclear bomb because when this book was being written there was great fear of nuclear bombs and how they continued to get stronger and stronger
ReplyDeleteMeg- I think that the author is actually talking about a change. Maybe Clarisse was the bomb. She made one person think and then Montag made other people think. They turned the city upside down by completely changing everything. They totaly changed the way people think about life. They Made society "wake up".
ReplyDeleteEmily, I feel like by the government doing this they are frustrated and have decided to take advantage of their power. They are setting an example and showing their capabilities in a way to bring Montag in.
ReplyDeletePage 146
ReplyDelete"He hadn't known fire could look this way. He had never thought in his life that it could give as well as take. Even its smell was different"
In this passage Montag realizes that fire can be used for heat, not destruction.
Do you think this new society is a new begging? I believe the fire represents a new beginning because there is a new purpose for it.
Do you think that our news/media could be lying to us as much as they show in the book? The race after Montag was live and real but in the end they lied to everyone and said they caught montage is it that bad today? or is the news more truthful?
ReplyDeleteSince Montag is kind of following the hero's journey then, why is he just sitting there watching a person get bit by the hound when the hound was supposed to kill him and not the random person? Because it says on page 149 "Blackout. Silence. Darkness. Montag cried out in silence and turned away. Silence." Most real heroes would either fight off the hound/ villain and not just watch them get killed or bit.
ReplyDeleteYeah i agree with Melissa the government has so much power in their society that they can just kill a random person. I also they that they are really angry for not finding Montag, so they can do whatever they want and get away with it.
ReplyDeleteI agree Kaity, I think that also that fire represents a new beginning because When a fire destroys someones home they have to start over and build from the ground up again.
ReplyDeleteKaity:
ReplyDeleteI do believe that this world is going to kind of reboot itself through all the nuclear wars it is going to send it into a nuclear fallout and all the people are going to have to restart
Emily-
ReplyDeleteI would not say that our news is lying to us, but in a way they are. The news is bias which means they use their views to tell the news. They also make up statistics a lot to make things seem more drastic. I think it might be possible for our news to go that far one day.
EmilyK- I don't think the news lies, I think that sometimes they do not tell the whole story, I do not believe it is as bad as in the book.
ReplyDeleteTravis- I don't think Montag follows that kind of hero's journey because he is kind of a rebel for reading books which is forbidden in their society. He could be a hero is the peoples view for realizing books are actually good and they could follow him that way, but thats about it.
ReplyDelete"It was not burning. It was warming. He saw many hands held to its warmth, hands without arms, hidden in darkness. Above the hands, motionless faces that were only moved and tossed and flickered with firelight. He hadn't known fire could look this way. He had never thought in his life that it could give as well as take. Even its smell was different." (pg 145) I find it ironic that after Montag destroyed things with fire, in the end fire is sort of comforting to him and like his safe-place.
ReplyDeleteEmily- I think that our news today is not quite to that extend of manipulation; however I do believe that they aren't as truthful with the us as they could be.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kaity about the news not necessarily lying, but definitely being biased. Certain news stations are more biased than others, though. I think the international news tries to be as accurate as possible, but local news might have a higher tendency to show bias.
ReplyDeleteIf the Cold War had continued do you think that the world would have ended up more like this?
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ReplyDeleteI think that the new use for fire could symbolize a new society beginning. or maybe instead of a new society completely it represents the redemption that could come of their society because I think Montag is seeing the other side of things. Like fire was bad, now it is good maybe the society could change from bad to good.
There is a quote on page 141 that says " he knew why he must never burn again in his life." do you think Bradbury contradicts him self by having Montag completly turn away from fire then realize that it can be good? Also by the end of the book How do you think Mantag really feels about fire?
Meg- The quote you found reminds me of the first quote in the book "It was a pleasure to burn". I do not think fire ever made Montag uncomfortable but was always a safety and a way of life for him.
ReplyDeleteEarl, I don't see the world ending up like this with the cold war continued but I think the world would definitely be different then what it is like today.
ReplyDeleteEmilyK2012- I do not think that the news people lie, but they only want to show us the important things.
ReplyDeleteTravis- Great observation! However perhaps the villain is much more then just the hound. Perhaps the villain takes form as the hound but in reality represents the government; which he is at this point in the book fighting against.
ReplyDeleteMeg.
ReplyDeleteI think is it comforting to him in the end because in the beginning he states "It was a pleasure to burn."
And overall he IS a fireman at heart.
Emily- I think that at the end of the book Montag ultimately finds fire to be comforting because he found that it could be warm and safe rather than used for destruction.
ReplyDeleteKaity- You called me Meg again! Also, good relation I'm proud of you! I agree that he wasn't necessarily uncomfortable around fire yes, that was not what I was trying to say. I can't explain it. Nevermind.
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ReplyDeleteyou said that montag finds fire comforting because he is a fireman a heart. How do you think this compares to the firemen in our society? What is their view of fire?
Off of what Melissa said do you think that the quote should be "It IS a pleasure to burn" or "It was a pleasure to burn?
ReplyDeleteEarl- No I don't believe that if the Cold War had continued that we would've necessarily gone to such an extend as to start burning books. However I think we would probably turn into much more of and isolationist nation.
ReplyDeleteEarl S. - I do not think that the world would have turned out to be this bad, but not be as good as it is now because people would have gotten fed up with the war and people would have probably came to an agreement eventually and the world would have started becoming normal again .
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ReplyDeleteWhy did the author of the book bring Clarisse's character into the book so much at first and then randomly completely cut her out of the story?
Caleb- Because Clarisse's was kind of I believe to be symbolism, as the start of Montag's curiosity and what had brought on the thoughts into his brain that starts the whole chain of events.
ReplyDeleteCaleb I think that the author brought Clarisse into the book because Montag needed help from her and needed to have a wake up call if he was happy or not.
ReplyDeleteCaleb-
ReplyDeleteI think that it was important to have her into the beginning of the book because it kind of set up the part where Montag started to get curious and led up to the parts where he breaks away from the laws of society and really starts to do what he thinks is right, not everyone else.
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ReplyDeleteWhat is the significance of the mirror factory?
Caleb- The author brought Clarisse in the book to make Montag think about if he was happy and why he wasn't happy. The author took Clarisse out of the book because she was just the start and when Montag heard that she died he thought more about action and not just about what he could do.
ReplyDeletewhat do you think of the way Bradbury describes things? They always seem to be opposite. People like objects, objects like people. on page 144 he describes the land like and ocean. Why does he describe things this way?
ReplyDeleteCaleb
ReplyDeleteThe author used her as a stirring stick to make us all think and once he set our thoughts in motion the "Stir stick" was no longer needed and was set aside
Caleb- Perhaps the author just wanted to use Clarisse as a catalysis to Montag questioning the society and once that had taken place felt there was no more need for her.
ReplyDeleteEmily.
ReplyDeleteI think that the fireman now care about putting the fire out for the peoples safety while in Montag's world they are concerned about burning the books and not the safety of the people. (they have even burned people)
It seems that the view has channged from the safety of the people to the governments concern of who is reading.
Caleb- I think she got cut out of the book was because she made Montag curious and made him think about another girl other than his wife. Once this happened he started thinking about books so it just turned around when Montag talked to Clarisse.
ReplyDeleteEmily- I think he tries to show two different sides to everything he puts in his book.
ReplyDeleteKaity-
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning of the book Montag had referred to Clarisse as a mirror. I cant find the quote right now but I remember it!
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ReplyDeleteWhat is your take on how 'Fire' is used throughout this book and what is it's main meaning?
Caleb-
ReplyDeleteI think that she was there to change Montag's opinions on lighting the books on fire. And then once she died it also made him read the books/ bible and also once she died he was really mad at the people killed her and then she was not as important.
Emily- I think that the author wanted to describe things this way just to further the sarcastic tone he has used throughout the entire book.
ReplyDeleteCaleb.
ReplyDeleteI think that the author brought Clarisse in to help open up Montags eyes. With out her he would not have been curios about why the books where taken away and he wouldn't be concerned enough to help bring books back.
Emily,
ReplyDeleteWhat I found that was interesting was how he brought in words relating to fire throughout the book. Going all the way back to page 63, "Montag watched through the window as Beatty drove away in his gleaming yello-flame-colored beetle with the black char-colored tires".
He also uses animals to describe things a lot.
Kaity i think the mirror factory is more of a symbol than an actual factory. i think it what they are talking about is forcing everyone to step back and look at what they have become. They think that by "looking in the mirror" they will be able to see what is wrong with them and how they need to change, as well as who they really are.
ReplyDeleteEarl- I think that fire meant very different things in the beginning than in the end. In the beginning it was what Montag did, what he was, he was a fireman. In the end I think it meant death and starting over again because of how Montags house burned and how his life started over when the city got bombed and how they can start over a new city and a new government.
ReplyDeleteEarl- I think fire in this book represents evil. It destroys everything, all history and education that is in books is destroyed by this evil.
ReplyDeleteClass-
ReplyDeleteWhy did the Hound kill a man that was on the street and not Montag?
Travis, I think this was to show everything was falling apart and the hound thought the man was Montag.
ReplyDeleteTravis,
ReplyDeleteThey used that man as a scapegoat. They stopped at the river because i think that is foreign land and they feel safe in their society so they don't want to leave it.
Travis:
ReplyDeleteTo show symbolism and display the powers and capabilities that they have, to frighten Montag maybe?
Travis
ReplyDeletei think that the hound killed the innocent man because the government wouldn't admit that they had made a mistake and lost montage. Like the inner circle was saying earlier it seems like they try and remove any evidence of mistakes by burning books and history. i think that the government was afraid that if people started realizing that there were mistakes then they might realize that their lives aren't perfect and they aren't happy and then the society would revolt. So the government does not show mistakes.
Travis- I think that the government in this society gets it's power and control off of the fear of the people. After all a scared person isn't going to rebel against you. Therefore in order to maintain the control they have over the people faked his death.
ReplyDeleteTravis- I think that by killing someone that wasn't Montag shows that the government has to kill someone for the faults of another. I think this also shows that maybe the government kill more innocent people, just to make them afraid that no matter what the hound will find them and this isn't true.
ReplyDeleteThe big take away i got from the book is the quote in the front of the book that says "If they give you ruled paper, write the other way". This shows that it is okay to to go against what is enforced for what is right.
ReplyDeleteMy big take away from F451 is when the government tries to control people it doesn't work out and like what Kristin said in the inner circle it leads to destruction.
ReplyDeleteWhat I took away from the end of the book is that the society will start over and there will be more books eventually, and that everything can start over and everything can get better.
ReplyDeleteFinal Takeaway: Knowledge is Power and Power is Everything.
ReplyDeleteMy Big take away from this book was that society should not take for granted what we have weather big or small. Books may not be fun to read sometimes, but what you can take away from them over technology is extraordinary.
ReplyDeleteMy one big takeaway is happiness needs to happen on its own. Humans can not control it. If you try it will only lead to unhappiness.
ReplyDeleteMy big take away from F451 was don't be afraid of change, and more importantly, don't be afraid to be a leader of change.
ReplyDeleteI think Bradbury wants us to take from this book that the power of books is only better for people, when you take away books it only goes worse from there. So mainly my point is knowledge is power and everyone needs it.
ReplyDeleteWhat I got from this book also has to do with the quote from the front of the book. "If they give you ruled paper, write the other way." That quote is what the bookk represents so well that with the burning of books even though the rules say you need to disregard your own thinking you need to break the rules and "write the other way"
ReplyDeleteMy big take away from this book is to not believe everything that you are told.
ReplyDeleteI think the final thing that i take away from this book is the importance of other's influence on your life. The relationships that surround your life are most important. Encounters with people you meet can change the course of your life. And it is the people you talk to and read about who's opinion contribute most to your knowledge.
ReplyDeleteIs this book a take on Bradbury's foreshadow of what a communist society could end up like?
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