Do you think Beatty remembers what the life of a firefighter was before they started burning books?
Why do you think all the firemen look the same?
Class What is the value of books throughout F451? One woman is willing to die for them while others burn them for living.
I think he remembers but he doesn't really want to think about it.
In response to Sean...I don't think he remembers because he was not there. He just knows stories
Sean- I think Beatty does remember the life of a firefighter before books were burned because she felt so strongly about the topic and she was willing to die for it.
Emily - I think that it only makes sense that they look the same because at the beginning of the book, it said that everyone is the same and equal and everything, so it just makes sense that they would look the same since they have the same jobs.
Emily-I think they all look the same cause they all have the same purpose to burn books. They want equality throughout, so they all look the same.
I think all of the firemen look the same because they don't want to draw attention to their selves and they need to be equal.
Do you think any of the firefighters have ever picked up a book and read it and not burned it.
I don't think that Beatty remembers. The society seems pretty set in their ways and it seems like it has been this way for a while. Maybe a few generations before them remember, but not this one.
Do you think that as we get farther into the book, that we'll start to meet more and more people that want to save books rather than burn them?
If books were suddenly banned and we started burning them would you fight to protect them or would you just sit back and die?
I do think all of the firefighters has picked up a book and read it because I think the are probably curious about the books and they may not approve of burning a certain book.
Emily- I think that the firemen look the same to show that they are all equal in the beginning and have the same things in common. They all have the same task that they have to do.
Emily K-I think that all of the firemen look the same because it is another symbol of the strive to achieve equality and for every body to think the same. The act of burning books shows that they don't want other things influencing people so the same principle is applied in firemen. It shows that all of them are one cause and want the same thing.
EmilyI think that all the firemen look the same because everyone else in the society has the same feelings towards them and their jobs. I think that other people only know what they have heard from others and get the impression that they are destroying people's lives so no one looks at the firemen in the way they would for family.
Mithchell- I think some might of picked a book up when no one was watching. Just to know what it was they were burning.
Mitchell- I do not think any of the firefighters have ever done that because they are afraid of what would happen if they were caught. I'm sure they they were curious, but it probably has not happened before because of fear.
Mitchell-I think that only a guy like Guy Montag would be interested in picking up a book instead of burning it since Montag is exposed to Clarisse who has some effect on him. After being around her, Montag will be curios himself of what a book holds.
Kristin...I believe that books are still needed in this story but not as much as today. People still need to have hard copies of books for many reasons. But of course they might not believe that all books represent the same thing. They government will only keep the books that agree with them and don't send bad messages. Books mean different things to different people. In this story the woman understands the importance of books for people while others do not.
Earl- I would try to protect the books because they serve a purpose in our lives. They teach us about history and how to live our lives the right way. If books were banned, then suddenly there would be chaos.
Nick K what i believe they would do is that Montag will slowly stop burning books and will start talking more with Clarisse and I believe that she will be one of the people who would die for books.
ClassDo you think the bible was burned? Or any religious book
Nick- I think that people will start getting into books because they're becoming curious.
EmilyK2012I think that they all look the same because they want all the firemen to be equal and so nobody can single the firefighters. Another reason may be that all the firefighters are doing pretty much the same exact thing and all the smoke, dust, and the small of the fire starters.
Nick- I do think that there are more people who have different beliefs about books than the government. I think that Bradbury has done this because he wants Montag to see the other side and save the books rather than burn them, like how he tucked the book in his coat and didn't burn it.
Emily- I think that the firemen look the same because they all serve the same purpose. They push for others to conform and others see them as all the same. Their acts diminish individualism because they force limitations on others, so they are an outcome of their own actions.
Earl- If there were books being burned today I would absolutely stand up and fight for them. Books tell stories in ways t.v. cannot and they recall history in ways teachers cannot. If books were burned stories and centuries of history would be lost with it.
Earl-I would fight back if it involved more people instead of just one. It would take a lot of people to fight back. People would have to look at the importance of books and what they symbolize. I wouldn't fight back if the stories and knowledge found in books could be found else where.
EarlI would try to fight but after awhile just give up. With all the technology today books can be read on the computer. Without technology, I would fight to the end. Books should never be banned. Books teach us and let the creative side to our mind show.
Class- Could someone have purposely set the Hound’s sensors to react hostilely to Montag? Could this foreshadow trouble with an enemy in the fire station?
I agree with Trent because if we didn't have books we would not know anything about history a long time ago when there were no computers and any type of technology to record events.
I noticed that the writer doesnt go in to detail about the new technology. The author tells the reader about robots and other stuff but yet back in that time the people were thinking more about the future of themselves. Due to the "Red Scare" more people were looking towards the future as what will become of themselves. My main idea that im attempting to state is that people already knew what robots were back in the time this book was written.
Earl, that is a very good question. I think that i would fight to protect books because reading is like a whole new world. You can imagine things that are completely different from anything we know. I think that we were created with an imagination for a reason. I think that books are a huge part in stimulating that imagination. Books force us to envisions things different ways and that makes us invent new things and continue to move forward as a society. If people aren't allowed to use their imagination and think for themselves they can't be happy and that is why suicide is so high in the book. Books are too important to allow them to be taken away.
Earl-I think that I would fight to protect the books. Books show so much about society and our worlds history that if all of the books were burned it would almost be like starting scratch. With nothing to refer to, good or bad, society can't progress.
Earl..IF books where banned I think that today more people will try harder to keep the from being burned. Because of the fact this book was written in the 50's they might not understand the educational value of books and how they can help you so much.
Sean- I think that religious books were probably burned because those books show history. They don't want people to be aware of the history and religious books date back far in history. They also have values and rules in them and the firemen made their own "rulebook" so they will destroy any opposing views.
To go off of what Sean M said, is there religion in this world? in the world portrayed everyone is conformist while religion sparks fights even wars in some cases.
Is Clarisse beneficial to Montag? Lately Montag has been noticing how much a like he is to the other firemen, but now, after talking to Clarisse much, he starts to separate himself.
Sean- I'm not sure if the people in the book would burn the Bible or not. I think there would be no exceptions and I think that every book would be burned. I wonder if later in the story Bradbury will mention the Bible.
Class-When Montag finally realizes that all the other firemen look exactly like him, with their uniforms, physiques, and grafted-on, sooty smiles. Could this be a physical manifestation of the fact that his society demands that everyone should think and act the same?
Sean- I think people might of burnt religious books because they haven't read them, so they don't know what it is. And theres only a small amount of religious books left.
SeanI believe that the bible was burned. They follow the laws so closely that they cannot believe what they want. It seems that the laws are also their religious beliefs. ClassIn your opinion, when should the government stop trying to control a society? Where do they cross the line between state rights and government control?
Mitch-I think that they might call her anti-social not because she is different but because they know that she is against the society, meaning that she is anti-society.
Have you hear about the electronic books? What do you think? Are books the same even if they are electronic or is there something special about reading the printed words on paper?
Mitch-I believe this is because the society has completely become reverse of what is was. Now that people don't have books to rely on, they spend more time with technology. Clarisse isn't as social because she is interested in what the past used to be.
Melissa i think that we understand the value of books less today than people in the 50's did because of how wrapped up in our technology we are. And I think that if books were being burned that they would be valued by a few people but most peoople would go along with it
Mitchell- I think that they call her anti-social because she doesn't act the same as everyone, we call people anti-social when someone doesn't act "normal." They don't want to talk to her because she is not their "normal."
Melissa H;In the fifties they depended more on the written language than we do now for we now have technology and television books are becoming the fad, and television is more active in our lives.
Mitchell- They call Clarisse anti-social because she never hangs out with the other kids.
Emily W...I think that once he starts to separate himself from the other firefighters it becomes a good thing. He is realizing how strange their society really is. He is starting to ask more questions so that he can reasure himself of the right and wrong.
I have noticed that since the beginning of the book Montag has become more acknowledgeable of his surroundings. Such as him looking at the moon and at least attempting to help the old woman leave her home.
Dakota- Do you think that the fireman have rules just about books? Or more overall rules for everything?
Kristen- I completely agree with you when you said they the rules that everyone has been following are so strict that it is like a religion.
mgardner-I think society does want people to be and act the same as most as possible. Thats why they burned books is to keep everyone from being different from anyone else.
I personally think books are the same electronically but I know a lot of people will disagree because people seem to like reading a paperback book and I guess there is something special about that.
Last Fishbowl, Caleb brought up how there might be a higher person controlling certain organizations, such as the firefighters in this case. Do you think that if there was such a person, do you think that maybe they are telling the firefighters to burn books in order to take over the world and impose his own set of laws, and government?
Emily i think that the electronic books may have the same type on potential as printed ones, as far as knowledge, but I think that theres something different about a paper book where it's fragile and may not exist
Emily-I think that Montag now separates him self from the fire fighters because he has been exposed to something new and different. Maybe Clarisse is a metaphor for a book. She has new opinions and can influence people around her just like a book. Montag can't burn her like he does with books which forces him to listen and actually think.
Mitchell- Others see her as anti-social because to be accepted, one usually practices social norms. By her different view on life she seems different. It may not be her personality but it is based on the reaction others have towards her.
EmilyI believe that books shouldn't be electronic. Books have more value when written on paper. This only proves that technology has started to conquer our lives in both positive and negative ways.
Earl- I think there is religion in this book because not everyone wants to burn books, and those people might have read a religious book like the bible and thought it to others.
Kristen- I disagree with that statement, I mean if books are written on paper or on a screen it has the same meaning and the same words. There is no difference between the two, it just makes things a lot easier and more advanced with technology.
Emily K. What i believe is that the printed word has a lot more meaning and depth it is about the experience though you might be reading the same story the feeling of holding the knowledge in your hand has some importance. In this world do you think that they burned old films and documentaries?
Kristin you made a very interesting comment about laws being their religion. I think this is a good point it seems like they all just do what they are told by the laws and don't think about religion. In early civilization people had religion to explain the unknown and give them hope. Do you think that they don't have religion now because they have discovered everything scientific?
Nick I think that there is aa higher person controlling the firemen and that person is wanting the books to be burned because if a society has no way to think and learn then they are a people who can be easily controlled
Class- How do they find out that there are books in the houses?
Travis- Some neighbors might get suspicious and call the police on them.
ClassDo you think that Brandbury made Clarisse question everything around her to force Montag to question the world himself?
Why does Montag describe the dog as having 8 legs?
mgardner- I love your question, very insightful! Maybe you should check out this link...www.sparknotes.com/lit/451/section3.rhtmlThere's some great questions there too
Kristin- I think that the Government should not be able to oppress our rights to make our own decisions, there are certain things such as speed limits, and military control, and regulations on business and other basic necessities however when they impose upon our freedom it has become to large.