tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post2079035640907898682..comments2023-03-25T06:37:59.493-07:00Comments on 4th Hour English 10 Blog: Kite Runner Fishbowl #6: Chapter 21Kristin Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15076857976818237278noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-26848066695666797062010-08-18T10:06:31.073-07:002010-08-18T10:06:31.073-07:00hihiGarett f.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05855365210987727647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-9256139971406070932009-11-16T09:45:53.785-08:002009-11-16T09:45:53.785-08:00Rob- What is your job?Rob- What is your job?Ericahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10585114836749356709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-66426286166100614132009-11-12T17:59:20.338-08:002009-11-12T17:59:20.338-08:00Part 2
Cody - very good question but the answer i...Part 2<br /><br />Cody - very good question but the answer is no. Most Afghans want to live in peace and will put up with a great deal of discomfort to be able to do so. The requirements to live under the Taliban were servere, but at least you were able carry on a life, so, nobody was willing to risk death....<br /><br />MeganL - the Hazaras like the Americans very much, I have worked with a number of them and found them to be the most honorable people in Afghanistan. For America it is a very delicate issue, we are not to show favor of one over the other, however, most folks I work with prefer the Hazaras to the rest of the ethnic groups....<br /><br />mgardner - the relationship between the Taliban and AQ is interesting. The Pashtun have an honor code called Pashtunwalli, that predates the Pashtun conversion to Islam. In that code, anyone (friend or enemy) who asks for sanctuary must be given it by the Pashtun (even if they were just fighting each other). bin Laden asked for sanctuary after leaving Sudan, the Taliban were obliged to give it to him. Does that mean they agreed with bin Laden? Hard to say. The Taliban currently is only concerned with Afghanistan, they are not looking at the rest of the world, AQ is....so they do not agree on all things..<br /><br />emliyw - the Taliban are caught up in what we would call "old testament religion" doing things that were done by the Israelites in that time period - stoining for adultery, and so on. The judicial system for the Taliban in still stuck in that time period.<br /><br />Anne L - another good question (all of them are). The major issue, other than heritage, between the Pashtun and Hazaras is religion. The Pashtun are Sunni Muslim (Arab focused) and the Hazaras are Shia Muslim (Iranian focused). There is a great deal of animosity between these two groups which adds to the historical hatred. The Tajiks do not like the Pashtuns but do not get along with the Hazaras either because of religion. The result is what is known there as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".<br /><br />mgardner - AQ attacked us because of our involvement in Saudi Arabia and the first Gulf War. bin Laden wanted to come to the aid of the Saudi government but they (the Saudis) chose the US over him and that made him mad.<br /><br />Travis - stoning is found in their religious laws, shooting is not.<br /><br />All - the soccer stadium is rather large in Kabul. It is like the coliseum in Rome and the soccer games are similar to the gladiators fighting. Since most people attended soccer games it was a very good place to show the people what happens when they did not follow the laws laid down by the Taliban, hence most punishment was done during soccer matches.<br /><br />Keep up the good work.....<br /><br />robrobdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572016145825656792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-34131963357279677302009-11-12T17:58:54.285-08:002009-11-12T17:58:54.285-08:00Hi,
I will try to answer your questions...I think...Hi,<br /><br />I will try to answer your questions...I think the discussion was very good by the way...<br /><br />mgardner - girls are allowed to go to school, but not across the country. In the South, it is discouraged and the Taliban tend to burn down girl's schools. In Kabul, the girls go to one school the boys to another.<br /><br />ericaw- there are two national languages - Pashtu and Dari. Dari is a version of Persian Farsi. In addition, there is Urdu, Uzbek, French, English, German, and Turkish spoken. Most Afghans speak at least two languages, either Pashtu or Dari and then one of the others. Most Pashtuns refuse to learn Dari and the Tajiks and Uzbeks in the North refuse to speak Pashtu. Dari would be understood by most of the people in the country, however, it was discouraged by the Taliban since it is so close to what is spoken in Iran and the Taliban did not get along with the Iranians (the Taliban are Sunni Muslims, Iran is a Shia Muslim country).<br /><br />moe - the Taliban have a great deal of influence over a large part of the country, at least where there are Pashtuns. Yes, I have seen some of violence that is the result of the Taliban. I know a number of Hazaras and know that they are treated very poorly.<br /><br />KristinW - People join the Taliban for a number of reasons. After 9/11 and during the first part of the conflict most of the Taliban were refugees from Pakistan that wanted to return to Afghanistan. Boys and men join for a number of reasons, some because the pay they are given is more than they can earn in Afghanistan (the Taliban pays $250 a month - an Afghan solider makes $160 a month). Some join because of their religious beliefs (you can erase your sins - something from the movie Kingdom of Heaven), others because there is little else for them to do.<br /><br />erica - there are two courts in Afghanistan, depending upon the crime. One court is similar to our system and they put people in jail. The other, for crimes against religion, the punishment is generally very harsh. Recently an Afghan converted from Islam and was sentenced to death. The Taliban only use Sharia Law for their courts, so punishment is very severe....death, cutting off of hands, etc.<br /><br />travis - in those areas that the Taliban control, most women do not venture out of the house. If they do they must be in the company of a male family member. The age of majority comes into play here, so the son would have to be over 14 (the age of manhood in Afghanistan).<br /><br />Part 2 followsrobdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572016145825656792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-12796833883371391492009-11-12T10:34:37.930-08:002009-11-12T10:34:37.930-08:00Jake- I think it is as serious as what happened in...Jake- I think it is as serious as what happened in Germany, we just don't hear that much about it.Shane H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08586508504199600468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-442104094130580452009-11-12T10:34:14.268-08:002009-11-12T10:34:14.268-08:00robd--
Why do they only stone them and not shoot ...robd--<br /><br />Why do they only stone them and not shoot them?Travis P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02273469637912009363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-72286070309629702812009-11-12T10:34:14.044-08:002009-11-12T10:34:14.044-08:00Jake-
I think that it could easily become as bad a...Jake-<br />I think that it could easily become as bad as it was in Germany. The US and many other nations continually have said Never Again to genocides and yet we continually allow genocides to start and go too far before they realize that they have to act.Anne L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05981320439058173773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-45717245459615962832009-11-12T10:33:27.508-08:002009-11-12T10:33:27.508-08:00Madeline-
I think that it does show how much Afgh...Madeline- <br />I think that it does show how much Afghanistan has changed. I think it is also a parallel between how much Amir's life has changed from what he remembers as a kid, to what is going on now.Devon Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05035524587806740900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-57929970191951186062009-11-12T10:33:09.068-08:002009-11-12T10:33:09.068-08:00All-
How do Taliban know so much about the people?...All-<br />How do Taliban know so much about the people? How do they find out information? Do they have spies throughout the city to find out information?KristinWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796147241625946837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-70560865027006217952009-11-12T10:33:00.217-08:002009-11-12T10:33:00.217-08:00Austin brings up a good point. We are incredibly f...Austin brings up a good point. We are incredibly fortunate to not know what it's like to walk down the street and see dead bodies and people getting killed and live in constant fear of people like the Taliban. How would we react if any of us went to Afghanistan and saw these things?ericawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01452451673378197309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-60568350018052514792009-11-12T10:32:55.179-08:002009-11-12T10:32:55.179-08:00This chapter was a very brutal chapter but their a...This chapter was a very brutal chapter but their are some ironic moments the author placed in the chapter such as the beating of the Hazara couple but earlier Farid beat up Zimen the owner of the bad orphanage. As well as the hole to the stadium is like Amir is going back in time to his child hood where Hasan was raped and abused by the towns people.moemoney122https://www.blogger.com/profile/13525876356601065345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-44659192892100424992009-11-12T10:32:48.802-08:002009-11-12T10:32:48.802-08:00Shane-
Yes we should've helped out, but it was...Shane-<br />Yes we should've helped out, but it wasn't our business to protect the Hazaras. I think America would have helped out if it got to the extreme like the Holocaust.MeganLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14935590574045166546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-11333556307630548522009-11-12T10:32:23.107-08:002009-11-12T10:32:23.107-08:00Rob- If the Taliban and Al-Qaeda connected; why di...Rob- If the Taliban and Al-Qaeda connected; why did they attack us? If after all they really don't like the British, why did they choose the US instead of Great Britain.mgardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00302155639568382246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-86395701126019296212009-11-12T10:32:09.415-08:002009-11-12T10:32:09.415-08:00I don't think it would phase you as much to se...I don't think it would phase you as much to see someone die if you saw it all the time.Shane H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08586508504199600468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-80485545616431213882009-11-12T10:32:06.615-08:002009-11-12T10:32:06.615-08:00mgardner-
The Taliban banned kite running and that...mgardner-<br />The Taliban banned kite running and that was a huge part of the winter in Afghanistan. It seems that soccer is the one thing that they still have that's the same as always, minus the killing during the half time. It's something they can count on and depend on ass their country goes through so much instability.Anne L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05981320439058173773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-9933287115588239092009-11-12T10:31:23.732-08:002009-11-12T10:31:23.732-08:00Trent- You think the look forward to it?Trent- You think the look forward to it?Ericahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10585114836749356709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-79362880971070858362009-11-12T10:30:52.220-08:002009-11-12T10:30:52.220-08:00Emily-
Because what we (a majority of the people)...Emily- <br />Because what we (a majority of the people) think is inhuman is not inhuman to the Taliban, what actions do they think are inhuman. Such as killing people for no reason is normal for them but not for us, what are their morals, opinions on what is inhuman? If that made any sense at all...Devon Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05035524587806740900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-5510769731141949742009-11-12T10:30:15.592-08:002009-11-12T10:30:15.592-08:00Devon-I think they can always find someone to kill...Devon-I think they can always find someone to kill, they do it as entertainment. I think it happens at most soccer games and thats what the crowd looks forward to at halftime.TrentF11https://www.blogger.com/profile/09798877886428388505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-49827518688552295942009-11-12T10:30:10.095-08:002009-11-12T10:30:10.095-08:00Shane- I also agree with you about the Nazis being...Shane- I also agree with you about the Nazis being like the Taliban. But, do you think what is happening in Afghanistan will become as serious as what happened in Germany.jakeL2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/03277626616796508725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-48535684870604248492009-11-12T10:29:57.189-08:002009-11-12T10:29:57.189-08:00travis-
I agree but they cant really learn from th...travis-<br />I agree but they cant really learn from their mistakes. They cheer at a soccer game ( which they should have the right to do) and then they get put in holes and are stoned to death. So im not sure if it teaches that person a lesson, it might teach other people a lesson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-7625854161172676732009-11-12T10:29:47.827-08:002009-11-12T10:29:47.827-08:00Rob-
So looking on the CIA world factbook, it says...Rob-<br />So looking on the CIA world factbook, it says that there are two major ethnic groups in Afghanistan. The Pashtuns and the Tajiks. These two groups make up about 60% of the population of Afghanistan. So why is the relationship between the Pashtuns and the Hazaras the violent relationship that is causing a war? Why aren't the Tajiks a part of this war?Anne L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05981320439058173773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-4162762865055718512009-11-12T10:29:08.338-08:002009-11-12T10:29:08.338-08:00Devon-
It happens at every game. I do think if the...Devon-<br />It happens at every game. I do think if they didn't have anyone they would come up with a reason to take someone and kill themEricahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10585114836749356709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-2872252792920546502009-11-12T10:27:51.605-08:002009-11-12T10:27:51.605-08:00ALL-
With the importance of soccer to Afghanistan ...ALL-<br />With the importance of soccer to Afghanistan do you think that there is some sort of significance of the stoning actually taking place in there? Do you think that it shows how much Afghanistan has changed throughout the book?mgardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00302155639568382246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-29430344647977846102009-11-12T10:27:11.114-08:002009-11-12T10:27:11.114-08:00Shane-
i agree. thats a good connection.Shane- <br />i agree. thats a good connection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674706934122894493.post-12202268542885803922009-11-12T10:27:07.139-08:002009-11-12T10:27:07.139-08:00Devon--
It may not only be entertainment, but it...Devon-- <br /><br />It may not only be entertainment, but it may also be to teach them a lesson.Travis P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02273469637912009363noreply@blogger.com